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Fictional Characters: For All Time

anglofile:

spicyshimmy:

how is it possible to love fictional characters this much and also have people always been this way?

like, did queen elizabeth lie in bed late sometimes thinking ‘VERILY I CANNOT EVEN FOR MERCUTIO HATH SLAIN ME WITH FEELS’ 

was caesar like ‘ET TU ODYSSEUS’ 

sometimes i wonder

If the claim that Queen Elizabeth I personally requested that Shakespeare write a play which portrays Falstaff in love (i.e. The Merry Wives of Windsor) after she saw Henry IV: Part II is accurate, then yes, Queen Elizabeth I and Julius Casear and Abraham Lincoln…all those prolific leaders and artists and celebrities over the centuries have thought intensely about fictional characters in literature and theatre.

How could they not?

The words used in reactions have changed over the years. From “ye gods!” to “Oh, my God” to “OMG” to various keyboard smashes…but all those reactions indicate a certain level of enthusiasm and emotional connection.


 

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Kitty, a fair but frozen maid: thebelletristarchive replied to your post: Having thoughts about an...

silvestria:

thebelletristarchive replied to your post: Having thoughts about an original story idea that never got off the ground.

Oh my…I am so very excited to hear about this story! How long it takes for you to finish a draft & edit it doesn’t matter, because I will be delighted to read it Silvestria!

Awww bless you! :)

It may well be several years… UC needs to be finished or at least got a lot further through first then story needs to be written. Then edited. Then (hopefully) published. A long process! But fingers crossed I’ll get there eventually, even if I have to do it myself!

Thank you so much for the support in advance!!

You’re very welcome! As a fellow writer (alas, writing is not currently my job though) and voracious reader, I know that it’ll be a challenge. I think, however, that your perseverance will result in some excellent work. There’s no particular timeline which needs to be followed in order to create a good novel. :)

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What we read

emmadelosnardos:

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eccecorinna answered your question: Brainy types…
Currently reading some things on spiritualism, and post-WW1 Britain. good stuff.

Spiritualism! Does this have to do with ACD?

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roane72 answered your question: Brainy types…
I… suddenly feel less brainy, because I’m not reading anything to educate myself right now. Or, pretty much ever, really.

Oh, Roane! I didn’t mean to make anyone feel less brainy. I think thateveryoneI come into contact with here on tumblr is brainy. But I wanted to see if anyone else has the dorkish compulsions that I do to read serious stuff for fun. :) I”m glad to see that you are better-adjusted.

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thebelletristarchive answered your question: Brainy types…
This week, a text about Russian literature. I have not read any of the Russian classics & this book is a good starting place to learn more.

Oh, what is the text? I have only readAnna Karenina.I am honestly very intimidated by Dostoievski and Gogol and other Tolstoys. I wouldn’t know where to start. Let me know what you end up reading.

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eldritch-horrors answered your question: Brainy types…
I always have something by Tufte sitting on my bedside table. Right now it is Envisioning Information.

Oh, Tufte’s books are so much fun to look at! Such graphic pleasure…

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sophiahelix answered your question: Brainy types…
Still finishing up Eminent Victorians. Also just starting Infinite Jest, which feels like an education in itself!

What is it like to read Eminent Victorians? Can you understand the references or are they too specific to that time period? I’ve never read any David Foster Wallace but I admire your attempt to have a go at that tome…

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theopoeisis answered your question: Brainy types…
Wow. Pretty much everything I read (except fanfic) tends to be nonfiction on things I’m interested in. I could do a whole bloody essay on it.

Oh, you really should write an essay on it! What kinds of things do you read?

When I finished my undergrad studies in literature, for about two years I didn’t want to read anything but non-fiction. It was as if, after studying poetry and novels and form and function, I really yearned for the ‘real’ world. I don’t make quite the same distinction now between fiction (which is real, in a different way) and non-fiction, but I am now back to reading more fiction again, probably because my academic work requires me to read psychology articles and books all day long.

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pennypaperbrain replied to your post: Brainy types…
I read in Russian to improve my language skills. Currently on Anna Karenina. Admittedly I’ve stalled almost completely for some months due to health issues. I hope to get back to it soon.

That is so impressive that you are reading AK in the original! See my post above about being intimidated by Russian novelists. I hope that your health issues improve soon, or that you get a better handle on what’s going on. :)

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leontinemay answered your question: Brainy types…
I’m with Roane, although I do think everything we read educates us. Also, I read The New Yorker and occasionally The Economist, so there.

Yes! Absolutely, everything we read educates us. And I wish that I were better about reading magazines — we have a subscription to the New Yorker, for pete’s sake, but usually my husband reads it, not me — and I really need to start reading The New York Times again because I feel like such an ignoramus about current events.


When it comes to Russian literature, I didn’t know where to start either Emma! And I wanted to choose a Russian novel or two and maybe some poets to read (translated into English) over the summer. I borrowed Literary Russia: A Guide to the Authors, Characters, Scenes and Streets by Rosamund Bartlett and Anna Benn from a friend and thus far it has been quite interesting. The social & political history of Russia/Soviet Union/USSR/Russia is discussed in contrast to the popular authors, persecuted authors and bureaucratically praised authors. It’s also an adept map of Russia’s geography in words. I’ll let you know what works I narrow my search down to…perhaps you might like to read some of them as well. :)

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Cross out what you’ve already read. Six is the average.

  1. Pride and Prejudice - Jane Austen 
  2. The Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien
  3. Jane Eyre - Charlotte Bronte
  4. Harry Potter series - JK Rowling
  5. To Kill a Mockingbird - Harper Lee
  6. The Bible - Council of Nicea
  7. Wuthering Heights - Emily Bronte 
  8. Nineteen Eighty Four - George Orwell
  9. His Dark Materials - Philip Pullman
  10. Great Expectations - Charles Dickens
  11. Little Women - Louisa M Alcott
  12. Tess of the D’Urbervilles - Thomas Hardy
  13. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
  14. Rebecca - Daphne Du Maurier
  15. The Hobbit - JRR Tolkien 
  16. Birdsong - Sebastian Faulk
  17. Catcher in the Rye - JD Salinger
  18. The Time Traveller’s Wife - Audrey Niffenegger
  19. Middlemarch - George Eliot
  20. Gone With The Wind - Margaret Mitchell
  21. The Great Gatsby - F Scott Fitzgerald
  22. Bleak House - Charles Dickens
  23. War and Peace - Leo Tolstoy
  24. The Hitch Hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
  25. Brideshead Revisited - Evelyn Waugh
  26. Crime and Punishment - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
  27. Grapes of Wrath - John Steinbeck
  28. Alice in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll
  29. The Wind in the Willows - Kenneth Grahame
  30. Anna Karenina - Leo Tolstoy
  31. David Copperfield - Charles Dickens
  32. Chronicles of Narnia - CS Lewis
  33. Emma - Jane Austen
  34. Persuasion - Jane Austen
  35. The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe - CS Lewis
  36. The Kite Runner - Khaled Hosseini
  37. Captain Corelli’s Mandolin - Louis De Bernieres
  38. Memoirs of a Geisha - Arthur Golden
  39. Winnie the Pooh - AA Milne
  40. Animal Farm - George Orwell
  41. The Da Vinci Code - Dan Brown
  42. One Hundred Years of Solitude - Gabriel Garcia Marquez
  43. A Prayer for Owen Meaney - John Irving
  44. The Woman in White - Wilkie Collins
  45. Anne of Green Gables - LM Montgomery
  46. Far From The Madding Crowd - Thomas Hardy
  47. The Handmaid’s Tale - Margaret Atwood
  48. Lord of the Flies - William Golding
  49. Atonement - Ian McEwan
  50. Life of Pi - Yann Martel
  51. Dune - Frank Herbert
  52. Cold Comfort Farm - Stella Gibbons
  53. Sense and Sensibility - Jane Austen
  54. A Suitable Boy - Vikram Seth
  55. The Shadow of the Wind - Carlos Ruiz Zafon
  56. A Tale Of Two Cities - Charles Dickens
  57. The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time - Mark Haddon
  58. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
  59. Love In The Time Of Cholera - Gabriel Garcia Marquez
  60. Of Mice and Men - John Steinbeck
  61. Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
  62. The Secret History - Donna Tartt
  63. The Lovely Bones - Alice Sebold 
  64. Count of Monte Cristo - Alexandre Dumas
  65. On The Road - Jack Kerouac
  66. Jude the Obscure - Thomas Hardy
  67. Bridget Jones’s Diary - Helen Fielding
  68. Midnight’s Children - Salman Rushdie 
  69. Moby Dick - Herman Melville
  70. Oliver Twist - Charles Dickens
  71. Dracula - Bram Stoker 
  72. The Secret Garden - Frances Hodgson Burnett
  73. Notes From A Small Island - Bill Bryson
  74. Ulysses - James Joyce 
  75. The Bell Jar - Sylvia Plath
  76. Swallows and Amazons - Arthur Ransome
  77. Germinal - Emile Zola
  78. Vanity Fair - William Makepeace Thackeray
  79. Possession - AS Byatt
  80. A Christmas Carol - Charles Dickens
  81. Cloud Atlas - David Mitchell
  82. The Color Purple - Alice Walker
  83. The Remains of the Day - Kazuo Ishiguro
  84. Madame Bovary - Gustave Flaubert
  85. A Fine Balance - Rohinton Mistry
  86. Charlotte’s Web - EB White
  87. The Five People You Meet In Heaven - Mitch Albom
  88. Adventures of Sherlock Holmes - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
  89. The Faraway Tree Collection - Enid Blyton
  90. Heart of Darkness - Joseph Conrad
  91. The Little Prince - Antoine De Saint-Exupery 
  92. The Wasp Factory - Iain Banks
  93. Watership Down - Richard Adams
  94. A Confederacy of Dunces - John Kennedy Toole 
  95. A Town Like Alice - Nevil Shute
  96. The Three Musketeers - Alexandre Dumas
  97. Hamlet - William Shakespeare
  98. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Roald Dahl
  99. Les Miserables - Victor Hugo

emmadelosnardos:

I don’t know who invented this list but it seems to be made up of the ‘classics’ as well as some recent bestsellers?

Anyway, if 6 is the average number that folks have read, I shudder to think of what standard deviation above the mean my score of 51 places me at. Because as well as loving literature, I am also a social science geek. :)

Well Emma, I’m not an average six either according to this list of somewhat random books.

I’ve read 39 of these books, but did not enjoy all of them, and there is also another 10 that are on my ‘to be read soon’ list and there’s an additional 5 titles which I would like to buy.

It’s quite easy, being surrounding online and in real life by avid readers, to not remember just how small a role books play in the lives of many people.

This list was fun to browse through and think about, but it is not statistically accurate. These titles are not all guaranteed to be on any particular curriculum, so unless an individual has a great love of reading or has taken extensive courses in nineteenth century & modern and postmodern literature, then these titles may be mostly new to him or her.

Different high schools, grammar schools, colleges and universities focus on widely varying texts; thus, one’s assigned reading depends on the country, level of difficult of the course and the professor.

I don’t think that “six is the average” reflects the average intellect of people or that in this case the average is ‘normal’ and, therefore, the desirable number at which to be, but rather that the majority of human beings are presented with few opportunities to read as much as the wish and those that do have such chances for learning unfortunately do not always choose to seize a book.

My suggestion for another text on this list is:

    100. The Importance of Being Earnest - Oscar Wilde


Any other suggestions? Perhaps Austen’s novels could all be grouped together and that would make room for 5 more titles on a list of 100.

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What was the first literary book you ever read that had a sex scene in it?

emmadelosnardos:

Lady Godiva

I remember, sometime around the age of 11 or 12, when I discovered that books — as in, real, serious literature (not marketed as paperback romances)— were a font of information about sex.

To what did I owe this startling discovery?

Either to Philip Pullman’s The Ruby in the Smoke, in which the heroine and hero make love before his tragic death in a fire; or to the numerous cavepeople sex scenes in Jean Auel’s Clan of the Cave Bear.

OK, in retrospect, probably neither of these books ranks up there with the classics that I was later to read, and which I mention below. Nevertheless, whichever book came first — in my memory, I hope that it was Pullman’s, because I consider him a superior author, and I love Victorian romances — ever since that early age, I have looked to books as a source of erotic inspiration. No wonder, then, that I enjoy reading and writing erotic fan fiction so much.

I like books that are erotica proper, like Anaïs Nin’s Pretty Birds, or John Cleland’s The Memoirs of Fanny Hill, or de Musset’s Gamiani. Older erotica, especially, is fascinating to read, because of what it teaches us about the mores and prohibitions of a given era.

I also enjoy books where sex is a major theme, or where sex drives the plot, as in:

  • Defoe’s Moll Flanders
  • Hawthorne’s The Scarlet Letter
  • James Baldwin’s Another Country
  • Almost every book by D.H. Lawrence (who, of course, is my favorite author)
  • Graham Greene’s The Heart of the Matter, The Quiet American, The End of the Affair
  • Marguerite Duras’ The Chinese Lover (thanks to havingbeenbreathedout for reminding me of this book!)
  • Ian McEwan’s On Chesil Beach
  • Edith Wharton’s The Age of Innocence
  • Thomas Hardy’ Tess of the d’Ubervilles and Far from the Madding Crowd
  • Vladimir Nabokov’s Lolita (how could we forget Humbert Humbert in our list of sexual predators?)

And then there are those books where the erotic, if not the sexual, underlies the narrative, as in:

  • Emily Brontë’sWuthering Heights
  • her dear sister Charlotte’s Jane Eyre
  • Hurston’s Their Eyes Were Watching God
  • Henry James’ The Portrait of a Lady
  • George Eliot’s Daniel Deronda

What else would you add to this list? I admit to having a preference for erotic books that fall outside of the ‘romance’/Harlequin genre, and would like to know what others have found in the ‘serious literature’ camp. And if you’re interested, I’ll share some of my opinions about the above books. And please, if you disagree with how I’ve categorized them, please let me know!

I read Nathaniel Hawthorne’s The Scarlet Letter at a young age and as far as I can remember it was the first work of literature I encountered that had references to sex in it and it includes some more nudity later on too, if I am recollecting it correctly. Rather surprising for a generic novel in the mid-1800s!

There are also literary depictions of sex or at least -implicit or explicit- thoughts on sex in non-fiction. Two examples that spring to mind are Orwell’s Road to Wigan Pier and Capote’s In Cold Blood.

Back in the fictional world of literature, there are some novels that portray how sex can be a negative thing when it is combined with poverty, lack of contraceptives, lack of safe sex, lack of education or abuse…or all of the above. Often these novels are about the 1930s, which is not a coincidence. The Great Depression. The Dirty Thirties. The Interwar Years. The following are not exactly happy reading:

  • Graham Greene: Brighton Rock
  • Walter Greenwood: Love on the Dole
  • John Steinbeck: The Grapes of Wrath

The best category though, is the thought-provoking and realistic one in which the writer delves into the plot with great detail and the characters are complex and interesting. These are some of my favourites:

  • Audrey Niffenegger: The Time Traveler’s Wife
  • Anne Michaels: Fugitive Pieces
  • D. H. Lawrence: Lady Chatterley’s Lover

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My One Weakness: foooolintherain replied to your post: When I have finished my MLitt...

silvestria:

foooolintherain replied to your post: When I have finished my MLitt and am free to read what I like I’m going to binge read George Eliot and Henry James and it will be WONDERFUL

and write fic. FICCCCCC bahahahaha

That too! :D Ideally I’d like to have finished UC by September but I have a feeling it won’t happen. We’ll see though!

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 youremakingitsnow replied to your post: When I have finished my MLitt and am free to read what I like I’m going to binge read George Eliot and Henry James and it will be WONDERFUL
You would love the new exhibit at the British Library! It’s all British lit and the landscapes that inspired the authors. Original manuscripts and that sort of thing I went today and it was awesome! Some Walter Scott novels were displayed!

Ooooh oooh ooh I really would! I wonder how long it’s on for… Must get to London and see it. I love the British Library. When I was at Cambridge I quite often ended up popping in there on the way home because it’s a good stopping off place between King’s Cross and Euston. Thanks for the heads up! :)

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 thebelletristarchive replied to your post: When I have finished my MLitt and am free to read what I like I’m going to binge read George Eliot and Henry James and it will be WONDERFUL
Good plan! I am currently reading Middlemarch for the first time and I am completely enthralled by it. Also just read The Golden Bowl.

What’s The Golden Bowl like? It’s definitely on my reading list. Hope you continue to enjoy Middlemarch!

The Golden Bowl starts off quite slowly in my opinion. The reader learns about several characters during the first few chapters only through the conversations depicted by James between other characters. So there are many hints and second-hand or third-hand stories. Also, the characters may seem rather formulaic at first: the prince, the heiress, the eccentric & wealthy collector of antiques, the penniless friend, the matchmaking married couple, et al. Since you are a fan of Henry James, however, and also very familiar with C19th Literature, I think that you will enjoy reading The Golden Bowl.

I certainly found it interesting. It was the first James novel I read and as such I was always determind to finish reading it. The exploration of love is what I find the most compelling in it; unrequited love, being in love with someone as opposed to loving him or her, competing loves, love of money, love of chattels, love of independence. I suppose that’s about as much as I can say without giving away anything!

All in all, William James is still my favourite brother of the two and I prefer his (highly epistemological!) work to Henry’s.

Thank you Rose! Middlemarch just keeps getting more & more interesting, so I am sure I shall like it right up til the last page. Eliot got my attention with the prologue about Saint Theresas in the world.

And please let me know what you think of The Golden Bowl when you’ve read it; I’ve yet to discuss it with anyone else who has read it. :)

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